Comments on: Pratical use of automobile engines in boats ? what are the differences for rust, corrosion protection? http://www.cargearusa.com/blog/pratical-use-of-automobile-engines-in-boats-what-are-the-differences-for-rust-corrosion-protection/ Mon, 21 May 2012 16:44:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Dave M http://www.cargearusa.com/blog/pratical-use-of-automobile-engines-in-boats-what-are-the-differences-for-rust-corrosion-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-9424 Dave M Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:57:27 +0000 http://www.cargearusa.com/blog/pratical-use-of-automobile-engines-in-boats-what-are-the-differences-for-rust-corrosion-protection/#comment-9424 Go for it... Consider a heat exchanger for closed loop cooling...antifreeze in a water bath. You need zincs on the block and drive shaft to control Galvanic corrosion. Swap the car manifold for a Marine manifold(ebay) which pumps water into the exhaust leaving the boat. Do the flame/spark arrestor thing and convert to sparkless starter/alternator/ignition. Make sure there is a good air path to the air intake. It's also a good idea to vent the engine compartment before attempting a startup. Make sure you don't have so much HP that it will flip on its side as the prop bites. OUCH!!! Consider an old Berkley or Jacuzzi jet drive designed to bolt right to GM blocks. I had a Berkley on an old Olds 455 in a Cigarette LaBaron(21ft) and it just rocked! Good luck.<a href="http://www.healthstorebargains.com/srch/srch.php?q=Teas"> Dave M</a> Go for it…
Consider a heat exchanger for closed loop cooling…antifreeze in a water bath. You need zincs on the block and drive shaft to control Galvanic corrosion. Swap the car manifold for a Marine manifold(ebay) which pumps water into the exhaust leaving the boat. Do the flame/spark arrestor thing and convert to sparkless starter/alternator/ignition. Make sure there is a good air path to the air intake. It’s also a good idea to vent the engine compartment before attempting a startup. Make sure you don’t have so much HP that it will flip on its side as the prop bites. OUCH!!!
Consider an old Berkley or Jacuzzi jet drive designed to bolt right to GM blocks.
I had a Berkley on an old Olds 455 in a Cigarette LaBaron(21ft) and it just rocked! Good luck. Dave M

]]> By: Neal http://www.cargearusa.com/blog/pratical-use-of-automobile-engines-in-boats-what-are-the-differences-for-rust-corrosion-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-9423 Neal Sat, 17 Apr 2010 17:55:09 +0000 http://www.cargearusa.com/blog/pratical-use-of-automobile-engines-in-boats-what-are-the-differences-for-rust-corrosion-protection/#comment-9423 A marine sticker and a large increase in the price. although there are specialized marine engines that use special alloys to prevent corrosion (ie atomic 4, westerbreke diesels) most of your cheaper ski boats use a car motor core for economic reasons (ie cannot put a $10,000 marine engine into a brand new Bayliner that retails brand new for $8995) As for your question of how long one will last, depends on the water quality ran through it, salt, sand, silt, algae all change the lifespan. Most boats die of neglect than anything else. Although you can use an air cooled radiator in a boat,(seen it done) its easier to use the water underneath it. I would suggest a heat exchanger, that way you can add antifreeze rust inhibitors to the water going through the motor. Boats either use a dry exhaust or a wet exhaust. Dry exhaust is like a car, no water going through the exhaust manifold. The exhaust pipe is hot, there is usually vented above the boat instead of through the hull. They are usually used on racing style boats (ie drag boats with striaght pipes are common) A wet exhaust, water cools the exhaust manifold, and is usually sprayed into the exhaust a couple inches from exhaust manifold. This allows used of a rubber hose to vent the exhaust through the hull. Coast guard requires a flash arrestor on carburator engines, a piece of window screen will meet this requirement though. Nothing says you have to use a carb, fuel injection works just as well in a boat. As for you gearbox, (transmission) the typical propeller will caviate and loose effieciency long before a engine will redline. Usually a set gear ratio is used to match optimum prop rpm with optimum engine rpm . Most boat use a set pitch, set diameter prop, with either is good for top end or for acceleration. Variable pitch props are out there but are expensive. Also, marine engines do not run backward, on multiple engine boats the direction of props is changed in the gearbox.<a href="http://www.djthings.com/replacement-fluids-13348"> Neal</a> A marine sticker and a large increase in the price. although there are specialized marine engines that use special alloys to prevent corrosion (ie atomic 4, westerbreke diesels) most of your cheaper ski boats use a car motor core for economic reasons (ie cannot put a $10,000 marine engine into a brand new Bayliner that retails brand new for $8995)

As for your question of how long one will last, depends on the water quality ran through it, salt, sand, silt, algae all change the lifespan. Most boats die of neglect than anything else.

Although you can use an air cooled radiator in a boat,(seen it done) its easier to use the water underneath it. I would suggest a heat exchanger, that way you can add antifreeze rust inhibitors to the water going through the motor.

Boats either use a dry exhaust or a wet exhaust. Dry exhaust is like a car, no water going through the exhaust manifold. The exhaust pipe is hot, there is usually vented above the boat instead of through the hull. They are usually used on racing style boats (ie drag boats with striaght pipes are common) A wet exhaust, water cools the exhaust manifold, and is usually sprayed into the exhaust a couple inches from exhaust manifold. This allows used of a rubber hose to vent the exhaust through the hull.

Coast guard requires a flash arrestor on carburator engines, a piece of window screen will meet this requirement though. Nothing says you have to use a carb, fuel injection works just as well in a boat.

As for you gearbox, (transmission) the typical propeller will caviate and loose effieciency long before a engine will redline. Usually a set gear ratio is used to match optimum prop rpm with optimum engine rpm . Most boat use a set pitch, set diameter prop, with either is good for top end or for acceleration. Variable pitch props are out there but are expensive.

Also, marine engines do not run backward, on multiple engine boats the direction of props is changed in the gearbox. Neal

]]> By: GEL MAN http://www.cargearusa.com/blog/pratical-use-of-automobile-engines-in-boats-what-are-the-differences-for-rust-corrosion-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-9422 GEL MAN Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:31:24 +0000 http://www.cargearusa.com/blog/pratical-use-of-automobile-engines-in-boats-what-are-the-differences-for-rust-corrosion-protection/#comment-9422 marine engines are designed to run all day at 4200 rpm .car engines are not ,cars have gears to allow a variation of revolutions per minute,they cannot take the pounding .of constant pressure. marine engines have metal timing gears and chains ,heavy duty bearings through out ,and brass freeze out plugs , with a heavy duty cam .. a marine 350 c.i. is usually 260 h .p. a car or truck is usually at best180 h.p. Major difference in performance ...you can run a boat engine in a vehicle ,but do not put a vehicle engine in a boat .unless you like to hear it go BANG!!!!!!<a href="http://www.felinehealthguide.com/feline-diabetes-symptom.htm"> GEL MAN</a> marine engines are designed to run all day at 4200 rpm .car engines are not ,cars have gears to allow a variation of revolutions per minute,they cannot take the pounding .of constant pressure. marine engines have metal timing gears and chains ,heavy duty bearings through out ,and brass freeze out plugs , with a heavy duty cam .. a marine 350 c.i. is usually 260 h .p. a car or truck is usually at best180 h.p. Major difference in performance …you can run a boat engine in a vehicle ,but do not put a vehicle engine in a boat .unless you like to hear it go BANG!!!!!! GEL MAN

]]> By: mjmik1 http://www.cargearusa.com/blog/pratical-use-of-automobile-engines-in-boats-what-are-the-differences-for-rust-corrosion-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-9421 mjmik1 Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:19:34 +0000 http://www.cargearusa.com/blog/pratical-use-of-automobile-engines-in-boats-what-are-the-differences-for-rust-corrosion-protection/#comment-9421 you also have to have a spark proof starter and alternator and a flame arrestor for the air intake<a href="http://www.resumeminers.com/Resume/Cover-Letter-Design.htm"> mjmik1</a> you also have to have a spark proof starter and alternator and a flame arrestor for the air intake mjmik1

]]> By: C. http://www.cargearusa.com/blog/pratical-use-of-automobile-engines-in-boats-what-are-the-differences-for-rust-corrosion-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-9420 C. Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:54:05 +0000 http://www.cargearusa.com/blog/pratical-use-of-automobile-engines-in-boats-what-are-the-differences-for-rust-corrosion-protection/#comment-9420 You would have to have more then just a simple clutch mechanism due to the fact that marine engines generally run much higher RPMs then your typical engine. If you were using something like one of those smaller personal watercraft vehicles, then a V-8 would provide way too much power. You would need to be belted in just to keep your seat. Something smaller like the K22 out of a Honda would be better. It is already set to hit the 10k RPM mark.<a href="http://www.chefcookingware.com/1001"> C.</a> You would have to have more then just a simple clutch mechanism due to the fact that marine engines generally run much higher RPMs then your typical engine. If you were using something like one of those smaller personal watercraft vehicles, then a V-8 would provide way too much power. You would need to be belted in just to keep your seat. Something smaller like the K22 out of a Honda would be better. It is already set to hit the 10k RPM mark. C.

]]> By: John Paul http://www.cargearusa.com/blog/pratical-use-of-automobile-engines-in-boats-what-are-the-differences-for-rust-corrosion-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-9419 John Paul Sat, 10 Apr 2010 15:32:25 +0000 http://www.cargearusa.com/blog/pratical-use-of-automobile-engines-in-boats-what-are-the-differences-for-rust-corrosion-protection/#comment-9419 Why not coolant to lake water intercoolers? And do away with running to cold. Drop an auto radator in a box with lake sea water circulating thru it? Aluminium will not work for this but copper and brass will. Exhaust water manifolds can crack where you cannot see it and run water into the stopped engine open exhaust valve. Modern 400 hp 400 lb ft LS-2 corvette engine will be a real firecracker engine with out salt ot lake water in it ans storage with coolant won't be a problem. PT boats had silencers that made there engines almost slient.<a href="http://www.djthings.com/pioneer-m3034"> John Paul</a> Why not coolant to lake water intercoolers? And do away with running to cold. Drop an auto radator in a box with lake sea water circulating thru it? Aluminium will not work for this but copper and brass will. Exhaust water manifolds can crack where you cannot see it and run water into the stopped engine open exhaust valve. Modern 400 hp 400 lb ft LS-2 corvette engine will be a real firecracker engine with out salt ot lake water in it ans storage with coolant won’t be a problem. PT boats had silencers that made there engines almost slient. John Paul

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